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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:01:03 -0400
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To: Mailing List - PhyloCode <phylocode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Plant clade names was PROPOSED ARTICLE X - autonyms
Michael Keesey wrote: "This isn't my domain, as such, but couldn't the typified names, name= d after genera, be crowns, while the untypified names, which seem to all be n= amed after characters, be apomorphy-based?" This was similar to my thought a crown clade should be named based on membership and that under the ICBN we have a whole set of names typif= ied by membership. Thus, this would help with the continuity from what was. Phil Cantino wrote: "Magnoliophyta could be defined as applying to the panstem, but this = would likely confuse people because Magnoliophyta and Angiospermae are wide= ly understood by botanists to be alternative names for the same clade. = The same applies to other pairs of typified versus untypified names (e.g.= , Equisetophyta and Sphenophyta, Pinophyta and Coniferophyta, Lamiaceae= and Labiatae)." As I see it, if the adoption of the Phylocode is to happen, a whole s= et of educational activities will have to take place. To say that typified = names apply to crown clades and that other names apply to something differe= nt (a different perspective)would help solve the problem that plant people = are split in the current usage of the existing synonyms for the larger groupings/clades. I.e. they would cease to be total synonyms. The reason why Labiatae, Compositae, Cruciferae and Gramineae are sti= ll used is because of the degree of past usage and not because they are "bett= er" names than their typified equivalents. That a similar same problem ap= plies to calling the flowering plants angiosperms and Angiospermae as more = to do with the conservative style of most first year university texts in Biology/Botany. Louis Chinnery