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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
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To: Philip Cantino <cantino@ohiou.edu>
Cc: phylocode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: REPOST: Crowns, Panstems, and their Correspondence to each other
Philip Cantino (cantino@ohiou.edu) wrote: <No one is going to say "pound sign" (for example) before a clade na= me, so symbols will only be useful in written communication.> I would like to make a point that some languages DO pronounce the p= ound sign as a singular sound, say in the Khoisan family of languages. It'= s even used in transliterated form in the species *Nqwebasaurus thwazi,= * normally this would be written "n!ebasaurus #azi." Similarly, diacrit= ics today DO get pronounced, and given the language, may help SHORTEN and simplify the form of the word being used to indicate a taxon, such as using "mu=F1ozi" instead of "muniozi." How many people do you think w= ill accept the idea of hyphens BACK into nomenclature, when it wasn't so = very popular even two-hundred years ago? There is already a paper publishe= d that has used the Pan- stem in the sense that de Queiroz has offered, co-authored by Gauthier, in which no hyphen was used ... and there do= esn't seem to be a problem in this. The only major problem in actually appl= ying Pan- to an already existing name typographically appears to be in nam= ed that begin with Pan- to begin with (or in what de Queiroz calls a "mi= nor" drawback, a name that is comprised SOLEY of "Pan"). However, one woul= d think that if neccessary, and needful for phylogenetic taxonomists to= use these labels, a hypen is not neccessary, or you can simply indicate t= he clade without a new name, and be MUCH more simplifying. Saying "Pan s= tem of *Pan*" wouldn't be too hard, when saying "Panpan" and "Pan-pan" ha= ve an identical oral sound to them, and lead to more confusing referrence (= as noted before, there will be a LOT more people confused by this than j= ust a small set of PT'ers, and this I think has not been fully realized). I= f this needs to be universal, universal understanding should be the pri= mary mainstay, since that is the DRIVING POINT of nomenclature. Cheers, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jaime A. Headden Little steps are often the hardest to take. We are too used to mak= ing leaps in the face of adversity, that a simple skip is so hard to = do. We should all learn to walk soft, walk small, see the world arou= nd us rather than zoom by it. "Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969) =09 =09=09 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail=20