Message 2004-10-0017: Re: Fwd: Re: REPOST: Crowns, Panstems, and their Correspondence to each other

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
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To: Philip Cantino <>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: REPOST: Crowns, Panstems, and their Correspondence to each other

Philip Cantino ( wrote:

<No one is going to say "pound  sign" (for example) before a clade na=
so symbols will only be useful in written communication.>

  I would like to make a point that some languages DO pronounce the p=
sign as a singular sound, say in the Khoisan family of languages. It'=
even used in transliterated form in the species *Nqwebasaurus thwazi,=
normally this would be written "n!ebasaurus #azi." Similarly, diacrit=
today DO get pronounced, and given the language, may help SHORTEN and
simplify the form of the word being used to indicate a taxon, such as
using "mu=F1ozi" instead of "muniozi." How many people do you think w=
accept the idea of hyphens BACK into nomenclature, when it wasn't so =
popular even two-hundred years ago? There is already a paper publishe=
that has used the Pan- stem in the sense that de Queiroz has offered,
co-authored by Gauthier, in which no hyphen was used ... and there do=
seem to be a problem in this. The only major problem in actually appl=
Pan- to an already existing name typographically appears to be in nam=
that begin with Pan- to begin with (or in what de Queiroz calls a "mi=
drawback, a name that is comprised SOLEY of "Pan"). However, one woul=
think that if neccessary, and needful for phylogenetic taxonomists to=
these labels, a hypen is not neccessary, or you can simply indicate t=
clade without a new name, and be MUCH more simplifying. Saying "Pan s=
of *Pan*" wouldn't be too hard, when saying "Panpan" and "Pan-pan" ha=
ve an
identical oral sound to them, and lead to more confusing referrence (=
noted before, there will be a LOT more people confused by this than j=
ust a
small set of PT'ers, and this I think has not been fully realized). I=
this needs to be universal, universal understanding should be the pri=
mainstay, since that is the DRIVING POINT of nomenclature.


Jaime A. Headden

  Little steps are often the hardest to take.  We are too used to mak=
ing leaps in the face of adversity, that a simple skip is so hard to =
do.  We should all learn to walk soft, walk small, see the world arou=
nd us rather than zoom by it.

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