Message 2001-02-0062: Possible resolution? Wishful thinking? [Re: Fwd: Re: Codes]

Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:46:40 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:46:40 -0600 (CST)
From: znc14@TTACS.TTU.EDU
To: Philip Cantino <>
Subject: Possible resolution? Wishful thinking? [Re: Fwd: Re: Codes]

Dr. Cantino wrote:
> under the traditional system.  Furthermore, I accept the majority
> view of the advisory group that the symbol will not be mandatory.  So
	As in the "dagger" symbol used by many to designate fossil groups?
I was not aware that this was being considered. Perhaps it would be best
to bring the phylocode list up to date on the current majority opinions of
the advisory group.

	If we adopted method M with an OPTIONAL symbol (i.e.,
it is the same name with or without the a standard symbol, say a hyphen),
could we all be happy? The hyphen could be like putting "Mr." in front of
a name, the name is valid either way. I think I could safely ignore Dr.
Cantino's hyphens if he forgives my exclusion of them. Can David Hillis
accept that some will refer to -niloticus, other even (shudder)
Crocodilus-niloticus, for what he calls niloticus of Crocodilus niloticus 
or Reptilia niloticus? These amount to the same thing, if we remember that
the "-" and the "address" aren't a necessary part of the name... and we
*can* do this, because we aren't the ICZN, and we are *not* committed to
legislating every last item in the spelling of an article of

	I know David is willing (as am I, for what it is worth) to accept
a "silent" (e.g. part of the name, but not necessary to put it down in
every usage) registry number, maybe the "B group" could meet us halfway on
this and agree to a "slightly-more-than-silent" hyphen? If we agreed to
this, we could end the debate sooner, and get on the irritating technical
points, like the addenda I proposed... :)

	Note: Those who use the hyphens will have to remember that their
names are not valid under some other codes (at least the ICZN), but that
would have been their problem anyway, wouldn't it?

	Does anyone else like this? It has the benefit of putting what
differences we have about phylogenetic nomenclature back in our own work
(and not eachother's) I know that David (and myself, and certainly others)
would probably prefer a solution more along the "A group" way of thinking,
but I think we would all like to avoid a schism. No one wants to lose the
consensus and support which have already grown around the PhyloCode.

	Think about it.



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