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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:47:11 -0400
From: [unknown]
To: phylocode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu
Subject: Fw: PhyloCode
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----- Original Message -----=3D20
=46rom: Yisrael Asper=3D20
To: Ben Shalant=3D20
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: PhyloCode
Dear Ben Shalant=3D20
I did not post anything because I was saying that I do not know at al=
l =3D
concerning your topic.=3D20
I am just an ordinary member of the group called the PhyloCode group.=
I =3D
do not have a listserve or a group of my own.=3D20
I do not believe I belong to an elite club. I do trust that there has=
=3D
been some misunderstanding that caused you to say so.=3D20
Yours truly=3D20
Yisrael Asper=3D20
----- Original Message -----=3D20
From: Ben Shalant=3D20
To: Yisrael Asper=3D20
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: PhyloCode
No! That's your response? You didn't even post it? You must think y=
ou =3D
belong to an elite club, so please take me off your list serve. And f=
or =3D
your information, the precocious Rhyniaceae family lost its best know=
n =3D
land-dweller when it was determined to be a protacheophyte. It became=
=3D
Aglaophyton major. And, nobody said, then, this is all too qualitativ=
e, =3D
we have to switch to computer code.
Ben Shalant
On Apr 13, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Yisrael Asper wrote:
Dear Ben Shalant
No.
Yisrael Asper
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Shalant=3D20
To: Yisrael Asper=3D20
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: PhyloCode
As someone who is studying plant diversity, (and who just recentl=
y =3D
joined your listserve), I wondered whether you were familiar with the=
=3D
difficulties in placing the very old Psiltotum sp. in a modern family=
, =3D
and differences that were found between Psilotales (living) and the =
=3D
Psilophytales (extinct) causing them to be ruled phylogenetically =
=3D
distinct?=3D20
Ben Shalant
kagawaben@cox.net
On Mar 17, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Yisrael Asper wrote:
As I said not all definitions make it to the dictionaries. Yet =
=3D
people still
talk and understand as first comes the speaking and then comes th=
e
dictionary makers investigating how people talk and write. This o=
f =3D
course
means that a Spanish speaker does understand the word Homo. A lot=
of
definitions that are a bit high have made it to the dictionaries.=
On =3D
the
part of the official PhyloCode organization the ISPN it should ma=
ke =3D
it clear
in cases where it is redefining a word however ill defined that w=
ord =3D
is and
the words planet, asteroid and even moon are excellent examples o=
f =3D
such ill
definition, that the officially authorized definition of a word a=
s
established by PhyloCode is that "Blank means Blank and all its
descendents." If it does that it will not be blameworthy of causi=
ng
confusion. Here is an example assuming PhyloCode takes over scien=
ce. =3D
Suppose
then that the ISPN defines Homo Erectus as being it and all its =
=3D
descendents
then in order to avoid confusing people so that the may think the=
y =3D
can call
someone they see walking in the street Homo Erectus, the ISPN sho=
uld =3D
in such
a case insist that the authorized scientific wording has to at le=
ast =3D
be to
the affect that "Homo Erectus means Homo Erectus and all its =
=3D
descendents."
Yisrael
P.S. It would perhaps not be advisable for the ISP to define peop=
le =3D
as
Neanderthals. (Note to non English speakers: In English calling =
=3D
someone a
Neanderthal means your calling them kind of dumb).
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<A=3D20
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Asper</A> </DIV>
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href=3D3D"mailto:kagawaben@cox.net">Ben=3D20
Shalant</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 25, 2005 9:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: PhyloCode</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>
<P align=3D3Dleft></FONT><FONT size=3D3D3>Dear Ben Shalant<FONT =3D
face=3D3D"Times New Roman">=3D20
</P></FONT></FONT>
<P align=3D3Dleft>I did not post anything because I was saying that I=
do =3D
not know at=3D20
all concerning your topic.<FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman"> </P></FON=
T>
<P align=3D3Dleft>I am just an ordinary member of the group called th=
e =3D
PhyloCode=3D20
group. I do not have a listserve or a group of my own. </P>
<P align=3D3Dleft>I do not believe I belong to an elite club. I do tr=
ust =3D
that there=3D20
has been some misunderstanding that caused you to say so. </P>
<P align=3D3Dleft>Yours truly<FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman"> =3D
</P></FONT><FONT size=3D3D2>
<P align=3D3Dleft><FONT size=3D3D3>Yisrael Asp</FONT>er</FONT><FONT=
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face=3D3D"Times New Roman"> </P></FONT>
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black"><B>From:</B>=3D20
<A title=3D3Dkagawaben@cox.net href=3D3D"mailto:kagawaben@cox.net">=
Ben =3D
Shalant</A>=3D20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D
title=3D3Dyisraelasper@comcast.net=3D20
href=3D3D"mailto:yisraelasper@comcast.net">Yisrael Asper</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 23, =
2005 =3D
3:08=3D20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PhyloCode</DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial =
=3D
size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT=3D20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D
size=3D3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>No! That's=3D20
your response? You didn't even post it? You must think you belong t=
o =3D
an elite=3D20
club, so please take me off your list serve. And for your informati=
on, =3D
the=3D20
precocious Rhyniaceae family lost its best known land-dweller when =
it =3D
was=3D20
determined to be a protacheophyte. It became <U>Aglaophyton</U> =
=3D
<U>major</U>.=3D20
And, nobody said, then, this is all too qualitative, we have to swi=
tch =3D
to=3D20
computer code.<BR>Ben Shalant<BR><BR>On Apr 13, 2005, at 12:18 AM, =
=3D
Yisrael=3D20
Asper wrote:<BR><BR>
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Re: PhyloCode<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>As someone who=
is =3D
studying plant diversity, (and who just recently joined your =
=3D
listserve), I=3D20
wondered whether you were familiar with the difficulties in placi=
ng =3D
the very=3D20
old Psiltotum sp. in a modern family, and differences that were =
=3D
found=3D20
between Psilotales (living) and the Psilophytales (extinct) causi=
ng =3D
them to=3D20
be ruled phylogenetically distinct? <BR><BR>Ben=3D20
Shalant<BR>kagawaben@cox.net<BR>On Mar 17, 2005, at 12:11 PM, =
=3D
Yisrael Asper=3D20
wrote:<BR><BR><BR>As I said not all definitions make it to the =
=3D
dictionaries.=3D20
Yet people still<BR>talk and understand as first comes the speaki=
ng =3D
and then=3D20
comes the<BR>dictionary makers investigating how people talk and =
=3D
write. This=3D20
of course<BR>means that a Spanish speaker does understand the wor=
d =3D
Homo. A=3D20
lot of<BR>definitions that are a bit high have made it to the =
=3D
dictionaries.=3D20
On the<BR>part of the official PhyloCode organization the ISPN it=
=3D
should=3D20
make it clear<BR>in cases where it is redefining a word however i=
ll =3D
defined=3D20
that word is and<BR>the words planet, asteroid and even moon are =
=3D
excellent=3D20
examples of such ill<BR>definition, that the officially authorize=
d=3D20
definition of a word as<BR>established by PhyloCode is that "Blan=
k =3D
means=3D20
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=3D20
blameworthy of causing<BR>confusion. Here is an example assuming =
=3D
PhyloCode=3D20
takes over science. Suppose<BR>then that the ISPN defines Homo =
=3D
Erectus as=3D20
being it and all its descendents<BR>then in order to avoid confus=
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people=3D20
so that the may think they can call<BR>someone they see walking i=
n =3D
the=3D20
street Homo Erectus, the ISPN should in such<BR>a case insist tha=
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authorized scientific wording has to at least be to<BR>the affect=
=3D
that "Homo=3D20
Erectus means Homo Erectus and all its=3D20
descendents."<BR><BR>Yisrael<BR><BR>P.S. It would perhaps not be =
=3D
advisable=3D20
for the ISP to define people as<BR>Neanderthals. (Note to non =
=3D
English=3D20
speakers: In English calling someone a<BR>Neanderthal means your =
=3D
calling=3D20
them kind of dumb).<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
L>
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