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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:35:03 +0200
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To: PML <phylocode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Phylogenetic Notation
> > Yes... I just like mine better. :o) > > I dunno, usage of "#" for "not" is pretty nonstandard. Rather for "opposite". Still nonstandard, but not counterintuitive ei= ther. > > "the irrational numbers are the real numbers > > without the rational numbers", I =3D R \ Q > > (written with those broadened letters). > > A contraction for I =3D {x /member of/ R | x /not member of/ Q}? Yes. > > ||*Lacerta agilis* + *Youngina capensis* \ *Crocodylus niloticus*= || > > ||{*Lacerta agilis* + *Youngina capensis*} \ {*Crocodylus nilotic= us*}|| > > "||" means "or" in C-based computer code. I thought "|" did? -- And I don't think it would confuse anyone. > I see this symbol as redundant and potentially confusing, > since there's no distinction between the beginning > version and the ending version. That's true. (The potential for confusion is probably small, though.)= What about "||:" and ":||" (happens to be identical to a repetition in mus= ic)? --=20 We'll surely find something. > > OK... ||A||. > > And then what do we use for species definitions? For lineages? For = other types > of taxa covered in future editions of the Code? Different symbols (other than ||: :||). Regarding species, it isn't y= et clear if they will get phylogenetic definitions at all, or whether it= will be enough to mention the type specimen and perhaps the intended speci= es concept in the database. (Assuming that the database will mark whethe= r a taxon is a clade, species or whatever.) > The problem here is that, in your system, "M @ A" means "the apomorphy-based > clade stemming from the first ancestor of A to possess character M homologous > with that in A". I overlooked this again. What's going on with me? Is it the weather? = ;-) --=20 No idea how to rectify this. > > Besides, if it looks too mathematical, it might drive some people > > away who might think we were all pattern cladists or > > pheneticists (especially if they are already prejudiced and next = to > > uninformed). > > Yeah, using math in science? That's absurd! In the sciences that aren't "exact" or "hard", many people do seem to dislike math. Besides, not all scientists are good at math personally= (even though Austria's education system preassumes it in some places...).