Message 2004-10-0081: Re: Apomorphy-based clades; was Re: Panstems

Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:19:11 +0200

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:19:11 +0200
From: [unknown]
To: PML <phylocode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Apomorphy-based clades; was Re: Panstems

> Umm... both Wolsan and I have come up with ways to name BOTH
> the crown and the total groups of all life without using apomorphie=
s.

Sorry, that's true. My thinking had come full circle; I had started w=
ith
your definition that starts with "the first ancestor of *Homo sapiens=
*",
then noticed that "ancestor" implies it's alive, then forgot that, th=
en Mike
came with a definition that mentioned an ancestor again, and... :-]

> Wolsan's are arguably better.

Well. "Most inclusive clade" doesn't mention an ancestor, but it stil=
l
implies one. The question "where does the clade start" doesn't go awa=
y.


  

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