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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:33:07 +0100
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Panstems
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:42:52 +0200 > From: Michel Laurin <laurin@ccr.jussieu.fr> >=20 > =09I would like to point out that my greatest objection against > this Pan-naming scheme is that I know that several of my colleagues > that are respectable and reasonable systematists, that came to the > "First International Phylogenetic Nomenclature Meeting" or that > could consider using the PhyloCode, are very much opposed to it. W= e > risk loosing a large basis of support among systematists if we > implement an idea. Let's face it, the PhyloCode faces a long, hard > uphill battle for acceptance in the systematic community. Let's no= t > drastically reduce the chances of the PhyloCode by introducing an > unnecessary clause into this perfectly good code. >=20 > =09Finally, I also note that the PhyloCode is mostly about how to > define names, not how to name clades; the Pan-naming scheme in this > respect would differ from most of the other clauses of this code > that only set minimal requirements for the names (like the use of > the Latin alphabet). I've stayed quiet through most of this discussion, but I would just like to agree wholeheartedly with Michel Laurin's comments here. Eve= n if the problems raised by the putative Pan-naming convention are solvable, these problems will have been raised and addressed in an area that is not really within the PhyloCode's remit. My background is in software engineering. In the development of software, the absolute immutable number one rule of design is that each tool should do exactly one thing, and do it well. When a software tool starts to suffer "feature creep" -- the addition of features unrelated to its primary task -- that is the death knell for it as a simple, comprehensible and useful component that can be used in the context of larger designs. This is true _even when the specific features added are useful ones_. The application of this should be clear. The PhyloCode is a fine system for producing clade definitions. So long as it doesn't overreach itself (by making nomenclatural stipulations as well as definitional ones) it ought to be, and probably will be, widely adopted. But if it sprawls into other areas, then it will surely fai= l to have any impact on the wider world -- for two important reasons. First, the code itself needs to be a short enough and focussed enough that people can actually read it all and understand it in a reasonabl= e period -- say one solid evening's reading. If the prose of the code becomes bloated, then people will not do that; and what they don't read, they can't use. Second, and more important, the PhyloCode's greatest utility and applicability are to be found when it is used as a part of a wider framework of phylogeny reconstruction, taxonomy and nomenclature. By keeping it "lean and mean", we maximise its usefulness. But if we le= t it intrude on these separate but related areas as well as stipulating how to define clades, then adoption of the PhyloCode becomes an all-or-nothing affair; and experience suggests that the great majorit= y of workers, faced with such a choice, will choose nothing -- preferring to stick with what they know. Instead of a clade-naming rule or recommendation, I commend a simple suggestion that has been made on this list (perhaps by Mike Keesey? = I don't recall). When the name of a clade is written or spoken in a wa= y that might be ambiguous, it should be disambiguated simply by saying "crown" or "panstem" first. Thus we might say that _Confuciusornis_ is a member of "panstem Aves", but not of "crown Aves". In conclusion, we should remember that the classic military mistake i= s to fight on more than one front. In the PhyloCode we have a system well able to prevail on the single front of clarifying clade definition. Let's fight -- and win -- just that battle. Thanks for listening. _/|_=09 ____________________________________________________________= ___ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor <mike@indexdata.com> http://www.miketaylor.org= .uk )_v__/\ "Don't Live with Broken Windows" -- Tip #4 in Hunt & Thomas'= s =09 "The Pragmatic Programmer" -- Listen to free demos of soundtrack music for film, TV and radio =09http://www.pipedreaming.org.uk/soundtrack/