Message 2004-10-0042: Re: "Qilongia"'s continuing Disneyization of scientific disc=

Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:21:30 +0200

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:21:30 +0200
From: [unknown]
To: PML <phylocode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: "Qilongia"'s continuing Disneyization of scientific disc=

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  As I propose in the introduction to my in-progress book,  Mutanda =
=3D
Dinosaurologica, it is imperative that the language of scientific =
=3D
discourse be one of clarity, especially when one is elucidating =3D
phylogenetic systematics.
I agree with this old idea that you emphasize once more. However, as =
an =3D
aside, I think you should note that on this list we are not elucidati=
ng =3D
phylogenetic systematics ( =3D3D cladistics) at all. We are making =
=3D
phylogenetic nomenclature.
  [...] the pseudo-intellectual nonsense propogated by "Qilongia".
Which is?
I haven't found any nonsense that Jaime had written to this list late=
ly.
  If he had a relevant, serious ideation,
In the light of your first sentence, why do you write such an unclear=
 =3D
word as "ideation" here? Why not just "idea", its well-known synonym?
  for quite sometime at the DML, he has demonstrated a shocking lack =
of =3D
knowledge, even rudimentary, of the comparative anatomies and =3D
ecomorphologies of archosaurs, including living theropods.
Which, even if true, would be completely irrelevant for this list, as=
 =3D
you doubtless know. So why do you bring it up here?
  [...] the PhyloCode remains the most important redefinition of =
=3D
taxonomy since Linnaeus and Hennig.
The PhyloCode has nothing to do with taxonomy. It's about nomenclatur=
e. =3D
Taxonomy is how to build a raw classification, no matter according to=
 =3D
what guidelines the individual taxa are named; nomenclature is how to=
 =3D
name taxa, no matter how they are arranged. Linn=3DE9's works were ab=
out =3D
nomenclature and taxonomy; Hennig's work was on taxonomy and (as far =
as =3D
I know) systematics; the currently used codes are about nomenclature =
and =3D
a tiny bit of taxonomy; the PhyloCode is purely about nomenclature, a=
nd =3D
immensely proud of it.=3D

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