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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:42:31 +0200
From: David Marjanovic <david.marjanovic@gmx.at>
To: PhyloCode mailing list <phylocode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Crown groups mainstream?
> To say that a crown group Mammalia is "mainstream" is perhaps a bit of > Ivory Tower tunnel-vision and/or wishful thinking. Just because McKenna and > Bell recognize such a crown group doesn't mean it is "mainstream" or likely to > become so. I was talking about paleontologists -- there it seems to have become mainstream, means, it is used in nearly all papers on mesozoic mammals I know (which aren't too many). > Most mammalogists still seem to think that a Mammalia which is > cladistically anchored on a monotreme (which still have a miserable fossil > record) is a dumb idea. > [...] > I would very HIGHLY recommend that PhyloCode workers NOT define Mammalia > as a crown group, because there is a good chance it will end up excluding > multituberculates, and it will certainly exclude sinoconodonts, > morganucodonts, and docodonts (all of which have the well-known mammalian jaw > and three ear ossicles). As far as I know, docodonts may even be inside (I don't know what has become of them); however, all post-Early Jurassic mammals are currently inside, including triconodonts and multituberculates. The position of monotremes has been cleared up in January -- they belong to a larger group called Australosphenida, along with several previously enigmatic Mesozoic mammals (I posted); the sister group of this is the previously also enigmatic *Shuotherium* from China, and the next outgroup is the clade that contains all other post-Early Jurassic mammals. So the difference in content is small -- and Mammaliaformes is there to recieve Mammalia and the three early groups you mentioned. Actually, I'm not defending crown-group Mammalia (it's rather unimportant to me, I'm mainly interested in dinosaurs :-) ), I just want to explain that this proposal is by far not that ludicrous. > I think it is pretty obvious a crown group Aves has been rejected > already, and who knows what might happen to a crown group Archosauria, because > pterosaurs may not be the only group that gets ejected from that taxon. What else would you move out of Archosauria? ~:-|