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Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jaime A. Headden" <qilongia@yahoo.com>
To: dinosaur@usc.edu
Cc: Dinogeorge@aol.com, NKing@usi.edu
Subject: RE: On naming taxa
George Olshevsky (dinogeorge@aol.com) wrote: <This is not even a "problem" in zoological nomenclature. Greg Paul named a number of theropod taxa from new species on up in Predatory Dinosaurs of the World. Although a few people got worked up about this initially and made a problem out of it where there was none, his book is now considered part of the paleo literature and some of his taxa remain in use. Therewas never any need to register his nomenclature, and there is no need to register nomenclature in the literature at any time. All publications eventually find their level without legislative oversight.> Technically, George is right, but not for the exact reasons he implies: The book as published is considered registered. Pre-existing names are registered automatically, anyway, not arbitrarily. The process of registration involves no human input to cancelling the ability to apply a name in a publication, but only to putting it into a database, and informing the author of possible synonymy. No powers of "We can't allow you to publish this because it might be synonymous with something else or there's a name already in existence like that..." but to say "there appears to be a pre-existing name like that, you may want to change it;" synonymy is in the arbitrary eye of the beholder. <From registration it is only a short step to exclusion, and I see this as a great infringement of a worker's freedom to create taxonomic names as needed in his or her work.> I can't see how registration will lead to exclusion. Could you please explain how you feel this will happen. A hypothetical scenario of registering the name in a spreadsheet style database and publication can lead to exclusion of taxonomic work.... Paul's Dinosaurs These are the theropodan taxa that Paul named in 1988 and/or stem from the work or previously (publications include the coelophysine study and velociraptorine study that had been published elsewhere): Paleodinosauria (pg. 239) For the lagosuch and non-herrerasaur and non-staurikosaur taxa now considered (by Novas, 1991) to be synonymous with the junior synonym Dinosauromorpha, though not by definition but by content. I would suggest reapplying Paul's name to Novas' definiton, s even Novas regarded his use of Eudinosauria as a junior synonym of Dinosauria itself (he assumed Herrerasauria was outside of Saurischia + Ornithischia; the name may be retained in redefined (so as not to be lost) as {Saurischia + Ornithischia <- *Herrerasaurus*} being conditional on herrerasaurs not being theropodan or saurischian (or ornithischian) in nature). Lagosuchia (pg. 241) This assumes that *Marasuchus* (Paul's *Lagosuchus*), *Lewisuchus* and *Lagerpeton* are each other's sister groups, or close to them. The name (Lagosuchia) can be disfavored as a synonym of Dinosauromorpha or Dimnosauriformes, under those circumstances, or as a node taxon assuming the exclusive membership of these taxa (= {*Marasuchus* + *Lewisuchus* + *Lagerpeton*}); this is not favorable due to recent work by Arcucci, Sereno, and Novas, who find these taxa arrayed radially outside Dinosauria. Thus, the name still has probable usage. Lagosuchinae and Lewisuchinae are named as well as part of Lagosuchidae, again assuming each other are strict sister taxa exclusive of *Lagerpeton* = {*Marasuchus* + *Lewisuchus* <- *Lagerpeton*}. Staurikosauria Presently a junior synonym by content of Staurikosauridae, could be differentially defined. Paul used this to contain his version of Staurikosauridae, which included *Pseudolagosuchus* [ which Arcucci (1991, Arcucci and Sereno, 1993, 1994) consider outside of dinosaur and not close to *Staurikosaurus* or *Herrerasaurus*, but the outgroup to Dinosauria sensu stricto, and the stem in the definition of Dinosauriformes] as well as *Ischisaurus*, which Novas considers a junior synonym of *Herrerasaurus.* The name Staurikosauridae is useful though polyphyletic in this sense. Herreravia These are avian-style early dinosaurs, as Paul considered *Protoavis* a basal dinosaur, but the content, as in his Herrerasauridae, is probably polyphyletic. *Frenguellisaurus* is a junior synonym of *Herrerasaurus* as of Novas, 1991, *Aliwalia* is not well described and could be a lot of things, and *Alwalkeria* (Paul's *Walkeria*) looks like a non-dinosaur anyway (pers. obs., including some sphenosuchian synapomorphies of the jaws). Herreravia is useful as the name uniting strictly *Herrerasaurus* and *Protoavis*. Just a suggestion. Paleotheropoda Most non-avetheropod (=tetanuran) theropods. Polyphyletic by recent phylogeny. In Paul's usage, this is the trend that preceeds the advance of Avetheropoda, so is useful in some senses. One may define this (by Paul's content) as = {*Ceratosaurus + *Coelophysis* + *Spinosaurus*}. Intertheropoda Essentially used to group megalosaurs, abelisaurs, *Eustreptospondylus*, and *Iliosuchus* as non-paleotheropodan and non-avetheropodan (but intermediate) dinosaurs. Abelisauria is probably ceratosaurian and not similar to megalosaurs specifically, whereas *Iliosuchus* appears to be a tyrannosauroid relative ... *Eustreptospondylus* and *Megalosaurus* (along with *Torvosaurus*) may be allies, but with "paleotheropod" spinosaurids, so this group is polyphyletic by present phylogenies; included are various other taxa such as basal allosauroid *Piatnitzkysaurus,* sinraptorines (Paul's Metriacanthosaurinae) and probable carnosaur *Gasosaurus*. The group may be usefully defined as = {*Megalosaurus* + *Eustreptospondylus* + *Yangchuanosaurus*} as the main constituent taxa. Other taxa named are: Eustreptospondylidae, and its internal stems, Eustreptospondylinae & Metriocanthosaurinae, which may be defined as Eustreptospondylidae = {*Eustreptospondylus* + *Metriacanthosaurus*} Eustreptospondylinae = {*Eustreptospondylus* <- *Metriacanthosaurus*} Metriocanthosaurinae = {*Eustreptospondylus* -> *Metriacanthosaurus*} Because *Metriacanthosaurus* is presently a nomen dubium, it does not appear to be diagnostic to the degree to provide suprageneric taxonomic foundation. Iliosuchidae This is a good name for the content Paul provides, = {*Stokesosaurus* + *Iliosuchus*}. Avetheropoda Holtz used this in 1995 and it has become fairly well established. Compsognathia Presently a junior synonym of Compsognathidae, and could contain the Brazilian compsognath, *Aristosuchus* sensu Naish, 1999, and a refered specimen of *Sinosauropteryx.* Coeluria Paul used this to group the tibia of *Calamospondylus* (his *Aristosuchus*) and *Coelurus.* *Calamospondylus* is the questionable taxon here, and *Coelurus* could be a maniraptoran. Could be defined as = {*Coelurus* + *Calamospondylus*}. May be synonymous with Coeluridae. Allosauria Ornitholestinae Paul used Allosauria to contain *Ornitholestes* and *Allosaurus* together, and Holtz has since defined Allosauroidea without containing *Ornitholestes*. While the name Allosauria is considered synonymous with Carnosauria, it can be defined variously to reflect Paul's sense, as = {*Ornitholestes* + *Allosaurus*}. Ornitholestinae is the differential stem taxon to Allosaurinae, and the stem definition {*Ornitholestes* <- *Allosaurus*} can be applied. He also included tyrannosaurs in his Allosauria, so the definition can be offered {*Allosaurus* + *Tyrannosaurus* + *Ornitholestes*}. Acrocanthosaurus? altispinax George coined the name *Becklespinax* (in use) for the species, but Paul gives no distinction for his species from Stovall and Langston's. I cannot see distinct features to unite the two, and the vertebrae of *Becklespinax* themselves resemble the "pectoral"--anterior dorsal vertebrae of *Baryonyx* and somewhat *Torvosaurus*, so I'm inclined to think it's not even tetanuran, much less *Acrocanthosaurus*. Aublysodon molnari Albertosaurus megagracilis These have been discussed. Protoavia This name was useful, and the content is synonymous with Sereno's definition of Maniraptora in connection with Padian et al.'s for Eumaniraptora: the main inclusive taxa are *Velociraptor,* *Oviraptor,* *Archaeopteryx,* *Troodon* and *Avimimus* outside of Aves. Thus, whereas Maniraptora has been defined (Chiappe, 1995) as {Aves <- *Ornithomimus*}, the group {*Oviraptor* + *Velociraptor* + *Archaeopteryx* + *Troodon* + *Avimimus* <- Aves} may be used inc ase these taxa ever truly fall with each other instead of radially. ===== Jaime A. Headden Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhr-gen-ti-na Where the Wind Comes Sweeping Down the Pampas!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/