Message 2001-06-0111: Re: Fwd: hands off genera?

Sat, 19 May 2001 17:05:53 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:05:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Jonathan R. Wagner" <znc14@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
To: Philip Cantino <>
Subject: Re: Fwd: hands off genera?

At 08:25 AM 5/18/01 -0400, Philip Cantino wrote [regarding forebearance of
conversion of genus names):
>No, it isn't being seriously considered.  A clade is a clade,
        I must admit that I am a bit taken aback by this. As the author of
this (one of these?) proposal(s), I am interested in knowing who determines
that it is not being seriously considered? There was, to my knowledge, no
final discussion of why it was not to be considered, and I was not informed
of any official decision on the matter.
        Is the PhyloCode being finalized behind closed doors?

>regardless of its rank under the ICBN, ICZN, etc.  If the PhyloCode
>is to be logically consistent and cohesive, it must govern the naming
>of all clades.  
        Yes, it must. However, until the rules for species nomenclature are
finalized, it would, in my opinion, be unwise to allow the use of genus
names as clade names when their use may be restricted by the species name
format we eventually choose. I never meant to suggest that genera should be
PERMANENTLY off limits.

>Furthermore, there are practical problems with
>excluding genus names.  Some clades are classified under the current
>system as genera by some authors and as subgenera by others.
        This is a fine point. Change the proposal to read that any name
which has been published as part of a species epithet may not be converted
until rules governing species nomenclature are established. That was the
original intent anyway.

        Either this, or we could just make a decision on species
nomenclature now... :)


     Jonathan R. Wagner, Dept. of Geosciences, TTU, Lubbock, TX 79409-1053
  "Why do I sense we've picked up another pathetic lifeform?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi


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