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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 02:19:53 -0500
From: "Janovec, John" <jjanovec@nybg.org>
To: "'PhyloCode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu'" <PhyloCode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>
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Dear Pcoders: David Marjanovic wrote on 8 Feb: "In short: More interdisciplinary communication. If too many or too few neontologists or paleontologists are involved in making the PhyloCode, the others will run into problems." I hate to be a pessimist, but I observe very little to no discussion of the groups for which no to few phylogenies are available. How will the Pcode be applied to the many groups of organisms which are not represented by phylogenies? Insects come to mind. Many tropical plants at the subfamilial level come to mind. I hear plenty of arguments for application of the Pcode with regard to vertebrates and perhaps even higher levels in the plant world, but how in the hell can we expect to apply a Pcode classification and nomenclature to understudied and very diverse groups? What do we have to start with but the current system of classification and nomenclature? In my opinion and the opinion of a growing number of folks, I think the answer is: NOTHING but the current systems. If we freeze names of clades based on current phylogenetic understanding (or misunderstanding), then what happens when the phylogenies change? The names remain the same but get placed in different clades. What will this do to the (utilitarian) system of communication? Confusion? Chaos? Disorder? And what do we tell the general consumers of taxonomic information-- the agrarians, the foresters, the high school teachers, or even local indigenes in the Neotropics being trained to recognize local plants as assistants in biodiversity surveys. Is the Pcode really a communication and recognition device? Like many, I am just learning about the Pcode and comparing it to the current botanical code. I agree with various points of the Pcode. Without getting thrown into the argument, can someone please tell me how the Pcode (in January 200n) will deal with the bulk of biodiversity that has not been phylogenized and cladicized? Folks have been arguing about birds and reptiles for years. I hope that some conclusion can be drawn and that the Pcode can help in the matter. But, what about the millions of insects, for example? Will they be left out of the first adoptions of the Pcode? Is taxonomic stability ignorance (Stuessy)? Is the Pcode truly rank-free? Won't there always be a ranked hierarchy in nature, regardless of the classification system applied? In the angiosperm world, is the problem based on the various sister families that deserve to be 'lumped'? If so, why not just lump them with the current system and move on? Have Pcoders drawn any agreements on how to actually name species? Don't we have a great deal of basic biodiversity survey work to do before we can just drop the current system and convert to a new system? Muitas perguntas. John Janovec