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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:25:36 +0100
From: David Marjanovic <David.Marjanovic@gmx.at>
To: PhyloCode@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu
Subject: Another example
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2thqqysUjSJ09A5oKyFb0w) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ornithurae has seen lots of different usages over time, all claiming to = be the same. Sereno has defined it as Neornithes > Archaeopteryx, so it = includes all other birds, including (under most hypotheses, not his) = long-tailed alvarezsaurids, Avimimus and Yandangornis. Under my = hypothesis*, it includes tyrannosauroids, ornithomimosaurs, troodontids, = oviraptorosaurs and maybe segnosaurs as well -- these really don't have = "bird tails". (Unfortunately, Sereno has also defined Archaeopteryx as = A. lithographica > Neornithes, so under my hypothesis all dromaeosaurids = are synonymous with it.) Before Sereno named Euornithes (Neornithes > Sinornis), many = workers used Ornithurae in this place. Enantiornithes, its sister taxon, = have just as modern "bird tails", as have the more basal taxa = Protopteryx, Jibeinia and Confuciusornithidae. (Confuciusornis + = Neornithes) has in the meantime been named Pygostylia. Others have used it for (Hesperornis + Neornithes), which is a = part of above Euornithes. The pygostyle, but not the great shortening of the tail, may be = much older, as it occurs in one (only one) oviraptorosaur, Nomingia, and = no tail ends of alvarezsaurids, Avimimus and Yandangornis are known. I'd suggest an apomorphy-based definition which would at present have = the same contents as Pygostylia -- or just drop it, because it has = caused so much confusion and has been used as sister group of = demonstrably para- or polyphyletic "Sauriurae". *David Marjanovic: Is Archaeopteryx really a bird?, Dinosaur Society = Quarterly 4(1) (Flight special issue), 15 -- 19 + 23 --Boundary_(ID_2thqqysUjSJ09A5oKyFb0w) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ornithurae has seen lots of different = usages over=20 time, all claiming to be the same. Sereno has defined it as Neornithes = >=20 <EM>Archaeopteryx</EM>, so it includes all other birds, including (under = most=20 hypotheses, not his) long-tailed alvarezsaurids, <EM>Avimimus </EM>and=20 <EM>Yandangornis</EM>. Under my hypothesis*, it includes = tyrannosauroids,=20 ornithomimosaurs, troodontids, oviraptorosaurs and maybe segnosaurs = as well=20 -- these really don't have "bird tails". (Unfortunately, Sereno has also = defined=20 <EM>Archaeopteryx</EM> as <EM>A. lithographica </EM>> Neornithes, so = under my=20 hypothesis all dromaeosaurids are synonymous with it.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2> Before=20 Sereno named Euornithes (Neornithes > <EM>Sinornis</EM>), many = workers used=20 Ornithurae in this place. Enantiornithes, its sister taxon, have just as = modern=20 "bird tails", as have the more basal taxa <EM>Protopteryx, Jibeinia = </EM>and=20 Confuciusornithidae. (<EM>Confuciusornis</EM> + Neornithes) has in the = meantime=20 been named Pygostylia.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> = Others have=20 used it for (<EM>Hesperornis</EM> + Neornithes), which is a part of = above=20 Euornithes.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> = The=20 pygostyle, but not the great shortening of the tail, may be much older, = as it=20 occurs in one (only one) oviraptorosaur, <EM>Nomingia</EM>, and no tail = ends of=20 alvarezsaurids, <EM>Avimimus</EM> and <EM>Yandangornis</EM> are=20 known.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd suggest an apomorphy-based = definition which=20 would at present have the same contents as Pygostylia -- or just drop = it,=20 because it has caused so much confusion and has been used as sister = group of=20 demonstrably para- or polyphyletic "Sauriurae".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*David Marjanovic: <STRONG>Is = <EM>Archaeopteryx=20 </EM>really a bird?</STRONG>, Dinosaur Society Quarterly 4(1) (Flight = special=20 issue), 15 -- 19 + 23</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> --Boundary_(ID_2thqqysUjSJ09A5oKyFb0w)--